Movies So Good We Wish We Could Unsee Them

This week on Films and Fermentation, we’re talking about the movies we wish we could experience again for the very first time. You know the ones: the films that stunned us, broke us emotionally, melted our brains, or left us sitting silently through the credits questioning reality and possibly our life choices. From shocking twists to unforgettable finales, we’re revisiting those magical first-viewing moments that can never quite be recreated… no matter how many times we rewatch them. Expect nostalgia, heated debates, and at least one argument over whether seeing The Sixth Sense unspoiled was a once-in-a-generation cinematic experience. So grab a drink and join us as we desperately attempt to bottle that fleeting feeling known as “movie magic before the internet ruined everything.” 🎬🍻

Don’t forget to drop us an email at filmsandfermentation@gmail.com or visit linktree.com/filmsandfermentation  to find all our social media and podcast links.  Become part of the Films and Fermentation Family.  We are now part of the podnation media network on Roku.  

We are an Independent Podcast, which means we are listener supported.  So please consider joining our Patreon for as little as a dollar a month to receive members only content. 

https://fermentedfilms.creator-spring.com/

You can now text us at: 904-867-4466

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Greetings, humans. I come in Peace to Stand with Podcasts. Welcome to Pod Nation Media, home of the KDNA podcast, the Undiscovered Entrepreneur, Monster Island Film Vault, Cthulhu Jack Presents, and Films and Fermentation. All Street exclusively on the Facebook Monster Exclusive.

SPEAKER_04 2:01

And the uh idea behind that title is that we're all going to be talking about movies that we loved so much the first time we saw them for whatever reason. We wish we could again a temporary bit of an amnesia so we can watch those films for the first time all over again. Uh, each of us will be talking about five films from our uh our history as as Cinephiles to talk about tonight. We are films and fermentation, a movie and alcohol podcast, number one beer podcast on good pods, number one alcohol podcast on good pods, number one TV and film review podcast in Madagascar, according to Apple Charts. Woohoo! And also, according to Apple Charts, we are the number six overall TV and film podcasts in Madagascar. Oh, in Madagascar. I'm like overall, no, in Madagascar. What we're nowhere near the top ten on pod on Apple charts, like you know, actual worldwide list. I want to say we're not a blip, we're not even a blip on the radar, but we are really popular.

SPEAKER_15 3:04

We just surpassed Joe Rogan in Madagascar.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

Wait, I'll tell you, I was looking at the Apple chart today, and there's two other podcasts on the Madagascar TV and film uh chart above us that are two that I listen to. That are two two of like the most popular film review podcasts in the world. And we're on the top in the top ten with them in Madagascar.

SPEAKER_15 3:27

Oh, what are the other two? Do you know?

SPEAKER_04 3:29

Uh the Rewatchables, uh, which I listen to every week, and uh Blank Check, which is a uh a podcast where they talk about directors' filmographies. Oh, and uh they are two of the most popular movie podcasts anywhere. Wow, and we are in the top ten with them, and we're among them, huh? We're sitting in Madagascar in Madagascar.

SPEAKER_10 3:51

We'd like to move it.

SPEAKER_04 3:52

So we keep talking about doing a remote, we have to do it in Madagascar.

SPEAKER_15 3:58

What kind of beer do they serve in Madagascar?

SPEAKER_10 4:01

Do you guys have your passports to go to Madagascar?

SPEAKER_04 4:05

Yeah, uh, what we're gonna do is we're gonna put ourselves in crates and hop on a ship controlled by penguins and sail our way there. And for some reason, my crate, even though it's on the bottom, will have light inside it. Because I'm the hippo in this situation, just in case you're wondering. Oh, I uh we can Gloria.

SPEAKER_11 4:30

We can always go on your um your cryptid website and do it.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Yeah, yeah. I just did a whole I just did a whole Madagascar architect. Leo runs from Cryptids. We got anyway. In case anybody uh out there listening has forgotten who we are, I'm Leo.

SPEAKER_15 4:46

I'm Kevin.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

I'm Mike. We didn't even get to our names yet. We're already off the rails. We're three friends like talk shit about movies while getting shit faced. This week on Films and Fermentation, we're talking about the movies we wish we could experience again for the very first time. You know the ones, the films that stunned us, broke us emotionally, melted our brains, or left us sitting silently through the credits, questioning reality and possibly our life choices. From shocking twists to unforgettable finales, we're revisiting those magical first viewing moments that can never quite be recreated, no matter how many times we rewatch them. Expect nostalgia, heated debates, and at least one argument over whether seeing the sixth sense unspoiled was a once-in-a-generation cinematic experience. So grab a drink and join us as we desperately attempt to bottle that fleeting feeling known as movie magic before the internet ruined everything. Don't forget to drop us an email at filmsandfermentation at gmail.com or visit linkfree.com slash films and fermentation to find all of our social media podcast links. You can watch us on the Pod Nation Media Network on Roku, on YouTube, or on Rumble. We're an independent podcast, which means we're listeners, support it. You can consider joining our Patreon for as little as a dollar a month. Receive members only content at patreon.com slash films and fermentation, buy merchandise at Teespring, or text us at 904-867-4466. What are we drinking tonight?

SPEAKER_02 6:12

You know, I'll go first.

SPEAKER_15 6:15

Um I'm going through my um variety pack of uh all trails beer. Last week, I believe I had a Belgian wheat beer, and I had a uh hazy eye pa. Today I am drinking the new trail crisp lime. Uh, this is from a little place called William Sport PA, by the way. I don't think I mentioned that last week. Um, I wish we knew somebody in Williamsport, it'd be interesting to uh to travel to the brewery. Uh, but I guess that's you know, I'll look into it.

SPEAKER_04 6:47

I'll look into it. I think I might have a connection out there.

SPEAKER_11 6:50

We should go out there during the Little League World Series.

SPEAKER_15 6:52

Yeah. Yeah. Um the um I think I did do the Little League uh Hall of Fame. I think that's out there, and I did that. That's very cool. 4.8% alcohol by volume. It's got lime in it. I'm guessing it's a summer, you know, Corona or um uh I don't know, lime-based. And then this one is one that I'm not quite sure how I'm gonna feel about it, but it was in the pack, and I'm gonna try it. It's called the Prickly Pear Sour. This is a 5% alcohol by volume. It's a ale brew with prickly pear fruit, lemon, and lime. Megan had this the other night. She said it was okay. It wasn't too tart. So I'll uh I'll let you know how these go.

SPEAKER_04 7:39

All right. Mike, are you continuing your blind barrels uh tour?

SPEAKER_11 7:43

Uh I took a pause on that tonight because I themed my drink tonight. Because you what? Themed my drink tonight.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

Themed your drink. What's your theme, sir?

SPEAKER_11 7:51

I went to I went exactly. I drink I wish I could try for the very first time again. Whoa, what's that? That would be jungle juice. The bourbon orange smash from uh Devil's Backbone. Nice.

SPEAKER_04 8:12

Ever clearer.

SPEAKER_11 8:14

Hell no.

SPEAKER_04 8:16

Uh I kind of theme mine a little bit because I'm drinking a 7 and 7, but I changed the whiskey that I'm doing tonight. Uh I'm drinking a uh Writer's Tears Irish whiskey that Mike and Adrian have gotten me. I think you got me this for my birthday, either like this year or the year before or something like that. Um it's a really good whiskey. Triple distilled.

SPEAKER_11 8:39

At least the last one because this year hasn't come up yet.

SPEAKER_04 8:43

Well, you know what I mean. I thought I I can't if it's it's either a year or two old that you got me this. Writer's Tears, Copper Pot, Irish whiskey, triple distilled, uh 40% alcohol by volume. And the reason I'm drinking Writers Tears tonight is because three days ago I was offered a contract for publication on my new book.

SPEAKER_15 9:04

And well, I can't get much more into it because the contract isn't finalized yet, but I was told I was offered a contract for publication, and I uh I sent him an email back saying that I am interested, and so now we have to look at the contract and all that, and then you know I desire a 24-pound of MMs only with the teal ones inside, and not with M's, but with W's. They should arrive every month on the third between 4 15 and 418 PM.

SPEAKER_04 9:40

All right, let us uh celebrate with a little bit of film history. How's that?

SPEAKER_03 9:48

Film history with mine.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Yeah, I'm I'm thinking of something for the first one, but I'll let Mike read it first.

SPEAKER_11 10:14

1962, Marilyn Monroe sings Happy birthday, Mr. President, to JFK before 15,000 attendees, accompanied by jazz pianist Hank Jones at Madison Square Guard in New York City.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Join our Patreon for as little as a dollar a month for members only content. For little as a dollar a month, Kevin will do his impression of Marilyn Monroe singing Happy Birthday, Mr. President. No, no, no, no, no. They gotta pay a dollar first. We don't give it away for free, man. You gotta titilate them and tantalize them first. That's what my pimp says, too.

SPEAKER_11 10:52

Uh next one, sir. 1969, Midnight Cowboy, directed by John Slinger, and starring John Voigt and Dustin Hoffman is released, Academy Award Best Picture 1970.

SPEAKER_04 11:05

One of the two stories about this movie that I think are are fun is uh it's the first, it's the only X-rated movie to win an Oscar for Best Picture. And it's it's barely R-rated by today's standards, but in 1969 they didn't technically have a rating that would fit this film. And the other one is there's a famous scene where the two of them are crossing the street and a cab almost runs Dustin Hoffman over. And he turns and he goes, Hey, I'm walking here. And it was an actual cab that drove through the set because they didn't realize it was a closed set, and he almost got ran over by a real cab driver. And so his line was ad lib, but the director kept it in because he said it really fit the character. But it almost led to Dustin Hoffman being maimed by a car by a cab.

SPEAKER_11 11:59

Uh next one, sir. 1977, original Star Wars movie, episode four. I do hope. Directed by George Lucas, starring Mark Campbell, Carrie Fisher, and Harrison Ford premieres. Never heard of this movie, you guys. No, I think it was an indie film.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Yeah. Kind of technically it was. Yeah. It also starred a future indie.

SPEAKER_13 12:23

This was done by that same THX guy, right?

SPEAKER_04 12:25

Yeah, TXX guy. Just funny. I actually heard uh I was listening to another podcast today. They were doing the Robert DeVall Hall of Fame, so they were talking about THX 1138 today because he starred in that one.

SPEAKER_11 12:38

Uh next one. Also in 1977, paper comedy film Smoky the Bandit, starring Burt Reynolds, Sally Fields, and Jackie Gleason premieres at Radio City Music Hall, New York City.

SPEAKER_04 12:50

And uh first time George Lucas cock blocks Burt Reynolds at the box office.

SPEAKER_11 13:04

Directed by Rilly Scott, starring Sigourney Weaver is released.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

I saw a meme today. Uh it was a it was there's some satire site that I come across on Instagram all the time, and they had a uh picture of uh Sigourney Weaver in her like mini panties from Alien, and underneath it it said uh uh newest 4K release of Alien spends ample amount of time recreating Sigourney Weaver's bush for the film for the special 4K release. Oh Jesus Satire, folks, not real.

SPEAKER_11 13:42

Next one 1980 Star Wars episode 5, The Empire Strikes Back, produced by George Lucas, opens in cinemas in the UK and North America.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

And George Lucas successfully successfully cock blocks Burt Reynolds for the second time, taking out taking out Smokey and the Bandit 2.

SPEAKER_11 14:02

Yeah, that Smokey and the Bandit 2 didn't really make the list.

SPEAKER_04 14:06

It was number two at year.

SPEAKER_10 14:11

Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Excuse me. Right?

SPEAKER_11 14:17

Yeah. 1980 horror film The Shining is released, directed by Stanley Kubrick and starring Jack Nicholson and Shelly Duvall, based on a book by Stephen King.

SPEAKER_04 14:30

Stanley Kubrick successfully uh gave Shelly Duvall a nervous breakdown directing her in that film. She was never the same afterwards. Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_11 14:41

So we're gonna continue on these indie films. 1983, Return of the Jedi, Star Wars episode six, produced by George Lucas, first released.

SPEAKER_04 14:51

Uh there was no cock blocking of Burt Reynolds this year. He gave up on Smoky and the Bandit by that point.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

All right.

SPEAKER_11 15:04

In 1984, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, the second of the film series directed by Steven Spoberg, Star Wag Harrison Ford, and produced by George Lucas. Lucasfilms premieres.

SPEAKER_04 15:16

A movie that gets a lot of flack, but one that I kind of enjoy.

SPEAKER_15 15:19

I think I want to put this out and plant the seed in your brains, gentlemen. There were five Indiana Jones movies. Rank them from best to worst. Take your time.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

For me personally, the best is Raiders of the Lost Ark. I would have said Sample of Doom a few years ago, but having revisited Last Crusade, I would put that second. I would put Doom third. I would put uh Crystal Skull Force and the recent one last. Yeah. I've only seen uh Dial of Destiny once, so I probably would need to rewatch it again in order to do my rankings for it.

SPEAKER_15 16:01

We see I do Crusade, then Raiders, then uh then Dial of Destiny, then Temple of Doom, and then uh Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

Yeah, see I have to revisit it just to see if my I haven't watched I haven't watched the Dial of Destiny yet, so uh we don't have to do a sequel war for that because I'm pretty sure Raiders would beat Temple of Doom. Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_11 16:31

A view to a kill, the 14th James Bond film, last to star Roger Moore, also starring Grace Jones and Christopher Walken, premieres in San Francisco.

SPEAKER_04 16:42

Both Grace Jones and Christopher Walken gave very normal performances.

SPEAKER_15 16:46

Whoa. Bond. Hello, Bond. What are you doing here? Are you trying to stop my sharks with laser beams on the heads?

SPEAKER_04 16:56

Are you trying to get me to talk? No. I almost did my gold finger.

SPEAKER_11 17:01

I I also I actually think the song did better than the movie did.

SPEAKER_04 17:04

So yeah, the song is a good song. No, Mr. Bond, I want you to die. Wow. Next one, sir.

SPEAKER_11 17:17

Yeah. I'm gonna tell you this. On this list, this week, every Indiana Jones movie except for Raiders premiered this week. Yeah, right. I know. So in 1989, Indiana Jones and the last crusade, directed by Steven Spielberg, Stark Harris Afford and produced by George Lucas. Lucasfilms is premieres.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

All right, real quick, rank them from one to five. Raiders are next one, sir.

SPEAKER_11 17:48

1993 Star Trek episode Second Chance is airs. Guest starring May Jemison, the first real-life astronaut to appear on the show.

SPEAKER_04 18:00

One of the episodes I I've only seen a handful of times.

SPEAKER_15 18:03

I'm not like super familiar with it, but I think it's like her and like another group of people from like 20th century Earth or like frozen or something, and they they paid for cryogenics and they were ejected into space, and then they came across I I I get it confused with the uh Scotty episode, but I think that one's called Artifacts.

SPEAKER_04 18:26

That's called Artifacts, yeah. Yeah, so uh I added this one. I'll read it. 1993, the final episode of Cheers titled One for the Road aired. Uh this is we're being we're recording this on May 21st, and the final episode aired on May 20th of 1993. So we're one.

SPEAKER_13 18:46

Did you guys watch it? The final episode?

SPEAKER_15 18:48

Did you see? Did you see afterwards the uh I guess Lena was on at the time and uh the um party that the cast members they were so sloshed.

SPEAKER_04 19:04

They never got to drink real alcohol on the show. For for 11 years, George Went was drinking some weird like apple juice concoction that looked like beer. Great final scene though, because it's it's Norm talking to Sam, telling him, you know, you never go back to your true love. Yeah, and then Sam sees the customer at the door and it's like, sorry, we're closed, and turns the lights off. It's very beautiful. It's it's one of compared to the Seinfeld finale that we talked about last week as being one of the worst. The Cheers one is by far one of the best.

SPEAKER_10 19:40

Uh next one, sir.

SPEAKER_11 19:42

1995, Braveheart, directed by and starring Mel Gibson and Sophie Macaro.

SPEAKER_10 19:50

Oh, see, you're always so you always try to go French and then you fuck up the actual French.

SPEAKER_11 19:54

Sophie Marceau. Okay. Premieres at Seattle Film Festival, Best Picture 1996.

SPEAKER_04 20:03

Also, best director, Mel Gibson. I love Brave Heart. Braveheart's in my list of like movies I can watch all the time and never be bored. Yep. Like if it's on, I'll just watch it. Just have it in the background. It's really good background noise.

SPEAKER_14 20:17

Good soundtrack by James Horner.

SPEAKER_04 20:20

Yes. Oh, I was gonna ask you if you could tell me who did the soundtrack of the Lord of the Rings Fellowship of the Ring. Um Howard.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Yes, it's not Newman. Howard Jews. Synonym for the beach. Howard Schwer. Yes. Howard Shore. Howard Schwore.

SPEAKER_04 20:44

We didn't talk about it last week when we did the Lord of the Rings episode, and I was like, I wanted to actually bring it up because I know you're a soundtracker.

SPEAKER_15 20:50

Yeah, yeah, it's a great soundtrack. It's a great score. And I'm honestly the the so the songs that they've had, you know, and you doing um Let It Be. Let It Be. Yeah, I think that's it. Um they had Ed Sheeran do one for the Hobbit boat uh for the yeah, Desolation of Smog. They had what's his name for uh Return of the King, the one who played um Pippen singing the song to uh Denanthor.

SPEAKER_04 21:22

Yeah, yeah. I'd say like I this the score is beautiful. The piece of music that I love the most is in Return of the King. It's right before the riders of Rohan and the King of Rohan go into battle. And then he gives his speech, and then that like solo violin starts playing, and then it it gets you know, more and more instruments join in, and then the battle starts, and it is I get fucking chills every time I hear that. I love that's one of my favorite pieces of film music. All right. Uh speaking of masterpieces, what's the next one?

SPEAKER_10 21:55

Like uh, this is Kevin's favorite.

SPEAKER_11 21:57

Uh Lost World, Jurassic Park. Directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Jeff Goldblum and Julianne Moore premieres in the US.

SPEAKER_15 22:06

I think it was a blessing that Michael Creighton had passed before this movie came out because in these scenes, you know, he being praised for the work of Jurassic Park and then being asked, because he wasn't going to do a sequel, being asked to write a sequel book and having done The Lost World, and then having to come up with a way that Jeff Goldblum survives.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Spielberg has said later that he kind of regrets doing this film that it was sort of like not a cash grab, but it was the film that kind of gave him the cash that he needed to do saving private Ryan afterwards. So sometimes you gotta take a check just to get what you want to get done.

SPEAKER_15 22:53

The ends justified the means, but somehow.

SPEAKER_10 22:57

Oh, speaking of masterpieces.

SPEAKER_11 22:59

Yeah, so we're we're gonna keep up with these uh this indie uh series here. So we're going to 1999 Star Wars Episode 1, The Phantom Menace, directed by George Lucas, starring Ian McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Liam Neeson. It's released in cinemas.

SPEAKER_04 23:15

Don't forget it. Also, stars Jar Jar Binks. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_11 23:18

If it didn't have Jar Jar, the movie would be much better.

SPEAKER_04 23:23

If Darth Maul wasn't sliced in half at the end of the movie, it would have been better. I felt so bad. If Darth Maul was in all three movies, the trilogy would have been better.

SPEAKER_15 23:31

Yeah. I felt so bad for that actor for all the crap he got. Oh, Lloyd.

SPEAKER_04 23:36

He ends up quitting acting afterwards. Like it was, I think it's a Zoom.

SPEAKER_15 23:39

Jake Lloyd, yeah, but I was talking about the one who played uh Jar Jar.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

Oh, uh I'm at best.

SPEAKER_15 23:44

Yeah. I mean, themed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

He's the Jedi that saves Grogu. Um oh, speaking of masterpieces, next one, sir. Yes.

SPEAKER_11 23:58

2001 Dreamworks Pictures Shrek, starring Mike Myers, Eddie Murphy, and Cameron Diaz. Voice Rolls debut.

SPEAKER_04 24:06

I mean, I like the first Shrek. I I really like the first one. I actually kind of like the second one. It's just it's just becoming more and more like a uh do we need another one at this point? Exactly. There's a fifth one, I think, that they're working on now.

SPEAKER_11 24:20

And knock out your your your series of Puss and Boots. Yeah, the Puss and Boots series and whatever.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

And like the Christmas.

SPEAKER_15 24:25

Chris's new one, like Shrek gets an iPad and things change.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

I think that's a new Toy Story they get the iPad. Oh, right, right, right, right. Toy Story 5.

SPEAKER_11 24:36

Don't get uh next one, sir. 2004 Cult Romantic Film The Notebook, premieres in Seattle Film Festival starring Rachel McAnams, uh Ryan Gosling, and directed by Nick Cassavets. Cassavetes. Cassavetis.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

Yeah, I I when I read this earlier, Mike, and I saw Cult Romantic, I was like, is this really a cult film? And then like I had to I looked it up, like it didn't really do well at the box office.

SPEAKER_15 25:07

But this movie, like fire label and wonderful memes. Yeah, you know, and talking to your wife about you know choosing something for dinner.

SPEAKER_13 25:17

What do you want? What do you want? I don't know what I what do you want?

SPEAKER_04 25:22

Apparently, Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling didn't enjoy working together. No, I find it hard to believe they're both so beautiful.

SPEAKER_11 25:30

That's the problem. Both of them are too beautiful to be in the same room.

SPEAKER_04 25:33

Yeah. Let me tell you so. I just saw uh Rachel McAdams' uh most recent movie, Send Help. Oh, which is it's a Sam Raimi horror film. It's really good. She is nuts in that film. And I and I will tell you, I she's nuts, but I would throw my life away for that kind of nuts. That was she's still hot. Uh oh before he said that. Speaking of masterpieces, next one, Mike.

SPEAKER_11 26:05

2007, Pirates of the Caribbean at World's End, directed by Gore Verminski starring Johnny Depp, Kara Knightley, and Orlando Bloom premieres at Anaheim. Most expensive film, 300 million made at the time.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

Man, you would think like a movie making three that was made for 300 million dollars would be hard to like make the money back at the box office, but this this movie was gigantic.

SPEAKER_11 26:32

Because it was the last of the three.

SPEAKER_04 26:35

It was supposed to be the last.

SPEAKER_11 26:36

Well, it was the last of the original three. After Orlando Bloom's character and Karen Knightley's character is gone, I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

Yeah, because after that, and then it's just a caricature of what Jack Sparrow used to be.

SPEAKER_15 26:48

They had to bring Keith Richards back from the dead to shoot the she scenes he had in this.

SPEAKER_04 26:53

He's been dead since 1982. Nobody called him. He's just he's basically a zombie at this point. He's the walking dead. Uh last pirates movie I ever saw.

SPEAKER_11 27:08

After that, it went why.

SPEAKER_04 27:09

Yeah. Uh oh, you know what? I'm not even gonna be sarcastic. I'm not even gonna be sarcastic on this one. Speaking of masterpieces.

SPEAKER_11 27:18

2007 Cohen Brothers film, no country for old men, based on Cormic McCart McCarthy's novel starring Tommy Lee Jones. Javier Bardo. Yep. And George Rowland premieres at the Keynes Film Festival. Best picture 2008. I moved my screen so it's up higher than I'm used to reading that.

SPEAKER_04 27:39

So this one, Best Picture, best uh director for the Cohen Brothers, uh, best screenplay, I believe, and best supporting actor for Javier Bardem playing one of the most what's the most you ever risked on a coin toss? Oh, he's so scary in his goddamn film. From the Dutch boy haircut to the cow prod uh weapon that he uses to kill people, to the fact that he kills everybody because it's his job. Like he's he's so scary in his film. Uh oh, speaking of masterpieces, last one. Yeah. We got two more. All right, let's go. We got more masterpieces to talk about.

SPEAKER_11 28:19

Uh 2008, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, directed by Steven Spergberg, starring Harrison Ford, and produced by George Lucas Lucas Films premieres at the Keynes Film Festival.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

I'm surprised nobody had this on their list of movies they wish they could see again for the first time. All right, no lie. Next one is a masterpiece.

SPEAKER_11 28:42

2009 Quentin Tarantino film and Glorious Bastards premieres at the Keynes Film Festival with an ensemble cast including Fred Pitt, Michael Fassbender, and Diane Kruger.

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Also won uh Best Supporting Actor for Christoph Waltz, his first of two in a row for two Quentin Tarantino films. So he won the next year for Django Unchained. And it also won Best Original Screenplay for Quentin Tarantino. Written on a dare. He was told, or he was it was often stated in a lot of like articles and stuff and opinion pieces that he didn't know how to write suspense. He only knew how to write uh violence and like visceral and like comedy and all that kind of stuff. And he's like, Alright, I'll show you guys. And he wrote a movie that has like three or four of the most suspenseful scenes in cinema history.

SPEAKER_15 29:34

Now, this uh there was another movie called Inglorious Bastards, wasn't there? And this is nothing to do with this with not you know how Tarantino is.

SPEAKER_04 29:45

Like he loves to do homages to movies that he grew up with and stuff. So Glorious Bastards is not based on the original movie or remake of the original movie, it's his original screenplay, it's just named after that original movie. Okay, like Django Unchained. Django is a movie from the 60s as well, and he has the actor who plays Django, makes a cameo role in Django Unchained. You know, he's just he's a he's a movie encyclopedia and just loves to like do homages to things that only he knows about. And uh our final uh masterpiece of the evening.

SPEAKER_11 30:18

And as I was telling you, every movie except for Raiders in this series came out this week. So in 2023, the final Indiana Jones film, Indiana Jones, and the Dial of Destiny premieres in the Keynes Film Festival, starring Harrison Ford, Phoebe Wallerbridge, directed by James Mangold, and executive produced by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas. Spielberg said fuck directing anymore.

SPEAKER_04 30:46

Well, this is um this this month is the month that a lot of movies premiere at the Cannes Film Festival. So that's why you see the Cannes popping up a lot in this uh in this film history. I actually haven't the list just came out recently of the movies that are premiering this year, and I didn't get a chance to look at it yet. I want to check it out and see if there's anything on there that I'm interested in seeing.

SPEAKER_15 31:07

This was not a bad indie movie, all things considered. You know, he it it does show an aged Indiana Jones, and he plays, I mean, he's he's playing the character as an aged Indiana Jones.

SPEAKER_04 31:24

Are a little uncanny valley though. Yeah, it's a little mop parkin from Rogue One, you know. Um again, I the only reason I ranked it so low on my list because I've only seen it once. I gotta see it. Like I've seen Crystal Skull twice because I was like, I is it really as bad as I thought it was the first time I saw it? And then I watched it again and I was like, yeah, it was pretty much as bad as the first time I saw it. So I gotta watch Dyle of Destiny again and just see, but I don't know. I'm I'm such a uh like such a fanboy of the original three. I don't know if I would ramp it above any of the other ones anyway. All right, let's move on to some beer news.

SPEAKER_15 32:24

So I'm gonna top Mike here. Mike had twenty-three this day in film histories. I have twenty-four beer news, all of which are from scientific journals.

SPEAKER_04 32:35

So at the end of your beer news, we're just gonna call it a night because I don't think we can make it through. I'm I'm already buzzed and I've only been through two glasses of the writer's tears.

SPEAKER_11 32:45

So that means uh we're gonna do part two tomorrow.

SPEAKER_15 32:50

I don't know. I'll tell you what, I'll cut out 22 of them. I'll only give you two of the stories, okay?

SPEAKER_04 32:55

It's Memorial Day weekend. I'm probably not gonna be sober till Tuesday.

SPEAKER_15 33:01

All right, gentlemen, have you have you guys had uh Schlitz beer before? It's an old brew. Uh liquor. Yeah. Well, it's a gone brew now, beloved and iconic beer discontinued after 200 years of brewing. That's for you, Adrian. If it feels like Schlitz has always been around, it might be because, well, it kind of has. It has been brewed for 177 years, but it looks like there won't be a 178th year for the beer that made Milwaukee famous. The Daily Poor reported that Pat's Brewing Company has made the decision to discontinue discontinue the brew, and that Wisconsin Brewing Company made the official announcement. It is terrible news for the folks who still love Schlitz. But it does come with at least one bit of silver lining. The bit of good news? Well, Wisconsin Brewing Company said that it will make a final batch of Schlitz based on the recipe from 1948. The Daily Poor reported that the cold ones will hit shelves on June 27th. Schlitz fans better stock up. Since Schlitz is the beer that made Milwaukee famous, I decided to brew a beer that would be representative of the time Schlitz was on top of the brewing world. Wisconsin Brewing Company brewmaster Kirby Nelson said, This brewer will represent the golden age of Schlitz. The Daily Poor reported that the first Schlitz was made in 1849 by Austin Krug, a German immigrant. The outlet reported that Schlitz has once uh was once the largest brewer in the country, but a recipe changed in 1970 sent uh sales tumbling. Paps bought Schlitz in 1999. There still might be hope for the beer despite the news. There's a change.org petition encouraging Paps to continue making the beer. It's more than just a drink, it's a tradition that ties us back to an era when simplicity and quality were the hallmarks of a good beer, the petition states. Unfortunately, that petition currently has just 101 signatures. So if you like your schlitz, you better get it quick because it ain't going to be around next year. Or saw that definition. I believe it was uh was it Miller?

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Was it Miller and um something? No, it was Bush, it was Bush Light and um Pringles. Pringles, yeah, doing some sort of like barbecue flavor or some shit. Yeah. Well, oh, it was beer cheese, beer cheese flavored Pringles and Bush Light. And I'm just in here for me, didn't you?

SPEAKER_15 35:57

I touched on the fact that there's a Cheese Its uh beer uh combo. So Cheez Its and Court's Light have collaborated on beer cheese flavored crackers. If it if we had to call it, we may sell it. Uh I'm sorry, we may well say that beer cheese is going to be weirdly prominent, uh, a weirdly prominent flavor in the second half of 2026. That's if snacks are anything to go by, at least. Beer cheese, which is different from pub cheese and is also kind of exactly what it sounds like a combination of beer and cheese in a savory dip. I love beer cheese, by the way. Um had a brief showing last year at Campbell's PBR-infused chunky soups. But frankly, the option that contained the its flavors kind of sucked. You can only hope that those clever food scientists have gone back to the drawing board because beer cheese has just shown up in a new Pringles flavor with Miller Light, and now Cheez Its is getting involved too. Yep, that's right. Not to be outdone by Pringles. Cheese Its has collaborated with Coors Light to release a new beery cheesy cracker. Here's what you need to know about this new flavor, as announced by uh at Snackolator last week. These two brands have teamed up to bring the world the beer cheese flavored crackers. As with regular cheese, it's crackers. These ones are made with 100% real cheese, although there's no word yet on whether they're made with 100% real beer. As that they don't contain alcohol.

SPEAKER_11 37:39

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_15 37:44

At least you don't have to eat them before you drive anywhere. Right now we're unsure when the cheers cheese crackers are going to be dropping, and indeed where they'll be dropping too. Uh Snack Later pointed out that in a post that these crackers have been spotted on the Target website, but another glance today has revealed that the listing has been removed for now. Dun dun dun. We'll be waiting with bated breath to see where they pop up. And will they be any good until we try them? It's kind of hard to tell. And because they haven't been released, no one's had their hands on them just yet. However, this didn't stop people from the comment section from taking their moment to have a pop at the cheese beer brand in question. I'm questioning if the person who approved this flavor has ever drank Coors Light or like any beer for that matter, said one comment from uh which garnered a few likes. A subsequent comment responding to it did assert that beer cheese has been around for a minute. So, uh, but queried as to the use of Coors Light. Given that Coors didn't make our list of light beers that actually taste good. We're not in any position to do it to that one, but hey, we're reserving judgment until we can actually get a handful of these things. Uh, and that's that. That's the story from sport. Oh, and I did look up because somebody had said Pringles are not potato chips, and they are not potato chips. They need to be to be a potato chip, they need to be a chip, they need to be cut from a potato. They are not, they are a uh paste. It is it's a powdery paste combined with a lot of other things that they are able to put onto sheets and then mold and then bake. So I think I'm not eating Pringles anymore.

SPEAKER_04 39:41

It's been beer news with Kevin and Pringles News with Kevin. All right.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

Movie updates with Leo, movie updates with Leo, movie updates with Leo, movie updates with Leo.

SPEAKER_04 40:01

Oh, it's an obituary free week for movie updates with Leo.

SPEAKER_15 40:06

Uh nobody's died in the past three days.

SPEAKER_04 40:10

No, not since yes. We recorded on Monday. It is now Thursday, so we've had a three-day rebrief. Uh, there's a spin-off of the Expendables films, Kev.

SPEAKER_07 40:20

In the works.

SPEAKER_04 40:22

It's an all-female cast, and it's uh uh tentatively titled The Expendables.

SPEAKER_13 40:28

Expendables.

SPEAKER_15 40:30

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

I'm hoping this is satire, but then I look it up on IMDB and it does say pre-production.

SPEAKER_10 40:36

Yeah, I think I heard something about it before, yeah. The expendables. I don't know who's in it.

SPEAKER_15 40:42

I can't fathom. I can't fathom. I mean, there's a handful that might make the cut.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

I mean, like who would be your your I mean most of the female action stars I can think of are probably a little bit past their prime at this point.

SPEAKER_11 40:56

Um I don't think I saw a picture of a ball it might have been satire for what they would thought it was. I believe uh Theron was on the on it. Who?

SPEAKER_04 41:07

Uh Theron. Oh, Charlie's Theron. I mean that fits. I guess maybe Scarlett Johansson would fit.

SPEAKER_15 41:13

Um honestly, uh Jennifer Lawrence.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

Jennifer Lawrence, yeah, but I don't know if they would like it's it's weird. Like, I don't know who would be in this movie.

SPEAKER_13 41:22

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

Yeah. So more more info to follow. Uh the boys Amazon series based on the comic book by Garth Ennis is coming to an end.

SPEAKER_15 41:32

Was amazing. I watched it last night. It was amazing. You really liked it? Yeah, I no, I did. I like I like the series. Uh the finale. Did you think they wrapped things up too too clean in the finale?

SPEAKER_04 41:46

I think they promised us scorched earth, and we still had a half hour to go after all of the ties were tied up. You know, like they did all I don't want to say anything because I want to spoil it for people who haven't seen it yet, but like after everything is said and done, there was still a half hour left in the show.

SPEAKER_15 42:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:03

And it was like kind of felt like because in the comic, I mean, I know like they kind of veered, they veered very far from the comic in the last season. Uh the last issue is called Scorched Earth, and Homelander basically just goes on a fucking earth-destroying kill spree before he's finally like taken down by the boys, and and they kind of promised us that and we didn't get it. I liked I I liked that final exchange with Butcher and Homelander. Again, without trying to get into the spoilers, but you know, and I liked the stuff with the deep. Yes. That was a lot of fun. Poor Kevin. Um, but yeah, Kevin. And then and then uh, but yeah, I was like, they promised a scorch earth, and we didn't really get scorched earth. We did get a lot of ball gags.

SPEAKER_15 42:50

Yeah, I wouldn't say that was the most violent episode.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

We did get a thinly railed uh representation of Elon Musk.

SPEAKER_07 43:02

He said he wanted to be nice.

SPEAKER_04 43:05

All right, in even better news, Transformers the Movie. Yes, the animated film, Transformers the Movie, is getting a 4K theater release for its 40th anniversary in September. It'll be in theaters from September 17th to September 21st. A 4K release.

SPEAKER_10 43:23

I know what I know what episode we're doing in September.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

Well, I know I'm definitely going to see it, whether I go see it with you guys or by myself. I'm gonna go see this shit. We can do a podcast after it. You can see the pores on Optus notice Prime's face in 4K.

SPEAKER_15 43:36

You're gonna see the director's cut that included a ball gag.

SPEAKER_04 43:40

Yeah. And in the scene where he says, Oh shit, what are we gonna do? He actually says, Oh fuck. In 4K. Uh Mandalorian and Grogu hits theaters on May 22nd, which would be the day after we record this episode. Early reviews so far from critics are

SPEAKER_11 44:04

It's not a back and forth, I hear.

SPEAKER_04 44:06

A lot of what I hear is like this could have been the next season. And that didn't necessarily have to be a two-hour movie.

SPEAKER_15 44:14

Disney wasn't going to fund another season. They were only going to give them enough money for a movie.

SPEAKER_04 44:19

Well, they were hoping they could pop out a movie that would actually make money for Star Wars.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_04 44:25

It's all on Grogu. Grogu can't bring in the bucks. People are still going to go see it. I think people are still going to see it. I don't know if it's going to make the money they hope it makes, but people will go see it. I'm more excited about uh Starfighter, which comes out, I think, next year, which stars Ryan Gosling. Uh and it's going to be Ryan Gosling. What's that?

SPEAKER_11 44:43

That's because you're in love with Ryan Gosling.

SPEAKER_04 44:45

I am. He's dreamy. And yeah, but I I'm like excited because it's it's going to be a film that focuses on like X-Wing fighters and not, you know, other things. So I thought it sounds kind of cool.

SPEAKER_10 44:56

Uh must try brew, Mike. Yes.

SPEAKER_11 44:59

Alaskan Brew Company's Alaskan smoked porter is a pioneer American pioneer American smoked beer. First brewed in 1988 using Adderwood Smoke, giving it a rich campfire-like character, unlike traditional porters. Widely regarded as one of the most influential smoked beers in the U.S. It has earned numerous awards at the Great American Beer Festivals and helped popularize the idea that certain craft beers can age gracefully like wine. Each beer includes three includes a vintage date encouraging drinkers to compare how the beer develops over time. Released in limited batch batches every fall, is known for deep roasted malt flavors, substance sweetness, and evolving smoky complex with age. Who clicked on the uh on uh on the uh sheet? Because you blocked half my words while I was trying to read it.

SPEAKER_04 46:05

I was typing something. I must have like I must have hit it by accident. I was typing something for later. I'm actually opened up twice because I'm opened up on two computers, so let me close out one of them. Sorry.

SPEAKER_11 46:17

Not a problem.

SPEAKER_04 46:18

I got the one. Are you done? Okay, cool. All right, we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll be back with our main segment. Movies we'd love to watch again for the first time. Or as we called it in the title, movies so good we wish we could unsee them. So we'll be right back. Right. So tonight's main segment is movies we'd love to watch again for the first time, movies we wish we could unsee, so we can see them again. Uh, each of us made a list of five films. Uh, my original list was all movies um with twist endings, and I'm like, it can't all be that way. So I did change my list a little bit. I we all tried to kind of come up with five unique films. Uh, Mike and I have one in common because I just couldn't see myself changing that one.

SPEAKER_11 47:06

Yeah, we can do that fourth one together.

SPEAKER_04 47:09

So yeah, and then uh I was looking at my movie list and I realized uh every one of my movies, I believe, came out in the 90s. Um double checking, yes. Every one of the movies I chose came out in the 90s.

SPEAKER_15 47:27

Uh yeah, the only one wasn't true about was B.

SPEAKER_04 47:31

Uh Flight Club was 97, Usual Suspects was 95. Yeah, so all my movies came out in the in the 90s, and it kind of like wasn't on purpose, but then I'm looking at it, I'm like, it kind of makes sense for me because the 90s was kind of when I started become becoming a movie completionist and trying to like watch all of a director's filmography or all of my filmography. Yeah, this is when I considered myself the birth of my you know cenophilia. So uh, so each of us was we'll talk about one film. We're gonna do like kind of round robin style here. I figure we could talk about uh what's the first time you saw this film, where did you see it? Um, like what was your reaction to it, like what the reasons why you would like to see this again for the first time. Um, so the first movie on my list is one that I've mentioned many times as a movie that I wish I could see again for the first time. Uh, and that is the Usual Suspects. Uh stars Gabriel Byrne, Kevin Spacey, uh Benicio del Toro, Stephen Baldwin, and Kevin Pollack, as well as uh Pete Posselthwaite and a number of other actors like Chavez Baum and Terry. Really good movie. Uh sort of a mobster gangster crime thriller with a really, really amazing twist ending. And it's not just the twist ending that makes it amazing, but it's the way that the twist ending unfolds. Um, spoiler alert for a movie that came out in 1995. Uh but you find out that you find out that one of the uh members of the crew is the villain they've been looking for all along, and it's revealed that all the stories he had been telling throughout the movie, he was taking information off of a uh corkboard that was behind a detective the whole time he's being interviewed, and it's a really awesome reveal. And so the first time I saw this was I want to say I was home. I was living at home in South Philly when I was growing up. I was 95, I was probably a freshman in college, and I was watching this late one night. I was up late, you know, big shocker, 18-year-old not going to bed at you know, a normal time. And watched this, I think it was like it was had to be around two or three in the morning when the movie finished. And I'm like by myself watching this film, and I see the ending and I see the twist, and I learned the secrets, and I'm like, what the fuck did I just watch? Like this movie was it was it was a slow burn, but man, that reveal made that slow burn so worth it.

SPEAKER_15 50:03

Well, slow Gabriel burn, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

Slow Gabriel burn. And then basically by the end of the film, every time I've watched it since then, I'm like, this is not as slow a burn as I remember, but it's also because I've seen it numerous times at this point. But man, if I could learn that secret all over again, and I'm glad this was post pre-internet because this movie would have got fucking ruined in a minute.

SPEAKER_15 50:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:25

And and I'm glad I was able to see it at a time where it couldn't be ruined for me. And not a lot of my friends had known much about this at the time, so I had seen it myself, like kind of on my own. Just something I was kind of interested in, because like I said, the 90s were kind of my time for becoming a movie fanatic, and and so it's just like I have to watch these movies, and yeah, it's it's just such a great film. I always say the line, there's a line that Gabriel Burns says in the film, he gets shot in the back by Kaiser Sose, and he says to him, can't feel my legs, Kaiser. And whenever my knees are hurting me, I say that a lot. Like it's like and feel my legs, Kaiser. Uh, have either of you seen Usual Suspects or I have healing sport like I do?

SPEAKER_15 51:18

Um, I enjoy the movie. I think uh it's got comedy in the right places, you know. Kevin Pollack and Minicio del Toro. Um and the uh which Baldwin was it? Uh Steven Steven uh play off of each other really well, you know. Um but it it's good, it's very good.

SPEAKER_04 51:40

Stephen Baldwin's got a scene, and it always cracks me up when he's uh he's on the roof of a building and he's got the sniper rifle and he's lining up his shots, and he's like, old McDonald had a farm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And on that farm, he shot some guys. And then there's the the famous lineup scene uh where they all start cracking up as they're saying the line. Apparently, when they were doing the scene, it was supposed to be straight, like none of them were supposed to laugh. But for some reason, Benicio Taturo kept farting while they were in the interrogation room, and and the rest of the rest of the guys in the cast couldn't hold it in, and eventually they ended up using the take of them all laughing because they couldn't get a better one. But it ends up being better. It's better that they start laughing because it makes it seem like they're guys who know each other real well, and it makes them more like more camaraderie in the scene.

SPEAKER_15 52:32

There's another story I heard about, um, or not a story, just in the scene where uh Benecio del Toro is being told to read a line. He reads it, and he he's got a very he's got a very interesting voice, either a lisp or something.

SPEAKER_04 52:46

He's he talks with a very distinct mumble. And and it was like his choice to kind of do that. And so the line is uh give me the fucking give me the fucking keys, you fucking cocksucker. And he goes, uh and the guy goes in English, please. And he's like, What? In English, give me the fucking cheese, you what the fuck? He said in an interview later, years later, because he has a very he's actually got a pretty small part in the movie because he gets killed like very soon after that. He said, like, I only have a few scenes, I get killed very early in the film, so I want to do something that makes me stand out so people remember me. And so the voice was his way of standing out in the film. Um, let's go to Kevin's first. So, Kev, you have multiple films on your list that I would have put on mine, but I was trying to save some for you guys because I knew like you guys would probably pick some of the ones I was gonna pick. This is one of them.

SPEAKER_15 53:47

This is why I mean you sent the list, and when I got on, I was like, I have to I have to start adding now because I know my choice is going to be taken. Um, this I mean, you guys know I'm a Christopher Nolan fan. Um I know you may not be aware. Uh, I love his Dark Knight trilogy. I loved Inception, I loved an Expeller. Yeah. Um, but this one kind of goes under the radar. I'd say, I mean, I I there it's easy to find somebody who's never seen it. Yeah, you know, uh, and this is the prestige, it came out in 2006. It has uh Christian Bale, it has Michael Kane, um, it has Hugh Jackman, um, Scarlet Johansson. Yep. Um, oh, what's her name? Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_04 54:38

I think this is the is this the first the first collaboration he does with Michael Cain because the Michael Cain done it then does like about a half a dozen movies with him after this, right?

SPEAKER_15 54:47

Right, right. This well, no, I don't I think Batman Begins came out before this.

unknown 54:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_15 54:54

I'll look it up later and talk about it. Yeah. Um, also has Rebecca Hall. Uh David Bowie has an appearance.

SPEAKER_04 55:01

David Bowie I love that scene with him as David as Nicola Tassala.

SPEAKER_15 55:04

That's a great scene.

SPEAKER_04 55:05

And very unexpected.

SPEAKER_15 55:10

So, I mean, it's it's a great movie about two magicians um who pretty much go out on an all-out war after tragedy befalls one, um, possibly at the hands of the other. You know, you so you're you're right.

SPEAKER_04 55:24

Batman begins came out in 05, just came out in 06. Right. Uh so he did the prestige between Batman Begins and Dark Knight.

SPEAKER_15 55:33

Right, right. Um, but it's a great movie about um, you know, competing uh uh showmen, competing uh magicians to who has the better show, who has the better tricks. Um, and just towards the end, I'd say the last act, the third act, it's just revelation after revelation after revelation, you know, all the way up until the end, um, as to what is actually happening. Um and it's enough to make you want to go back and rewatch it to see if you can catch anything, you know?

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Yeah. And this is one that like I was trying not to include all twist endings on my list. Um, because this has such a great twist ending. Um, and I was like, I knew somebody else would take it, uh, so I wasn't gonna put it on my list anyway. But yeah, I love the prestige. A twin film came out the same year as The Illusionist.

SPEAKER_15 56:28

Oh, right, right, right. Forgot about that. That had um Edward Norton and Edward Norton, Jessica Beale.

SPEAKER_04 56:35

Um not as good a film.

SPEAKER_15 56:37

No, Rufus, not really, right? Rufus.

SPEAKER_04 56:42

It's a good movie, but it's definitely not as memorable as the prestige. Prestige had more of like a uh popcorn movie going experience to it. Yeah, yeah, and definitely has that Nolan like feel to it. It's the first collaboration with Christian Bale. Yes. Um, and it's only as film films, but oh, what was Christian Bale?

SPEAKER_15 57:03

Batman begins. Batman begins. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

I'm keep forgetting Batman Begins was the year before this, yeah, yeah. So Batman Begins would then have been his first collaboration with Bale and King. Uh, and then brought them back for this because his before this he did Memento. Uh his first film was uh uh an independent film called The Following, which I've seen. It's kind of boring, it's really hard film to get into. Memento is his first big Hollywood production in a very good film.

SPEAKER_15 57:32

Um, and then Batman begins is like his introduction to those two movies, those two movie movies started, you know, allowing him to get blank checks from uh from uh production studios from studios, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

And if you listen to the blank check podcast, they will discuss that that way.

SPEAKER_15 57:50

And uh it's well worth it, man. The things that followed Inception, Interstellar.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

What is in your movie his best? What is your your you think is his best film? Not your favorite, his best film.

SPEAKER_15 58:03

Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, his best film. Man, I wouldn't I want to say Oppenheimer, but I I have such a love for Interstellar and the science behind Interstellar. And then the more I find out, the more I love the movie, you know?

SPEAKER_07 58:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 58:18

They used an actual astrophysicist, Kip Thorne, as just the guy to go to for the creation of the black hole, the concept of gravity and time, um, and everything else that kind of comes with it, and how the he put so much thought and and accuracy into the science behind it that the black hole that they developed for the movie is now used in teaching astrophysics, yeah, uh astrophysics, you know.

SPEAKER_04 58:50

I was gonna say it's so scientifically accurate that it's now used as a as a teaching model. Yes. I love Interstellar too. It's one, I think it's one of McConaughey's best performances. Yep. Uh, I love the um cameo of Matt Damon in it. Yes. And uh and it's one of Jessica Chastain's best performances, too. I love her in a film.

SPEAKER_15 59:10

I love kept um Matt Damon's role. Matt Damon.

SPEAKER_11 59:15

I'm sorry, go ahead. Are we talking the prestige or we just talking about Nolan?

SPEAKER_04 59:18

We're talking about Nolan, yeah. We kind of turned this into a Nolan conversation. I'll end it by saying my favorite film is Dunkirk. Let's move on to Mike's then. Yeah, Mike's Mike's getting glass, glear, getting like glazed eyes, waiting to do his.

SPEAKER_10 59:36

We just got through in our first two. Yeah, no, and it we've already been on it for an hour. Mike, what's your first one?

SPEAKER_11 59:45

Uh Mod the Knight speaking of masterpieces 1981, Raiders of the Lost Ark. Uh, directed by Steven Spielberg, starring Harrison Ford, Karen Allen, John Ray, Stavies, Alfred Molina's in it. Probably one of his first roles.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:05

It's his very first role, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:09

Five minutes into the film. I love this movie. Uh I love this movie too. It's my it's the movie that that that uh introduced me to Karen Allen.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:18

It's probably the movie that introduced most of us to the to um archaeology. Yeah. And then all the people that went to archaeology because of this movie went, fuck, all we're doing is digging.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:30

I was gonna say for for those of us on this podcast who took an archaeology class in college, not as interesting.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:38

No, no, it's exactly how your class is probably exactly how he was teaching in the class. Yeah, X is not Mark.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:46

Actually, my my my teacher was a was a grad student who never taught before, and I was already teaching at the time, so I was helping him do lesson plans.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:56

Leo wrote love you on his eyelids. Yeah, every time he blinked his I hate, I would hand him an apple as I ran out of the classroom. So, what are your thoughts? And this is to go to to the TV show, The Big Bang Theory, that um if Indy hadn't done anything, the Nazis still wouldn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:16

I was gonna say Mike wants to rewatch it again for the first time to see if he agrees with the Big Bang Theory.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:22

No, I think just because, you know, like I said, it introduced most of us to archaeology.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:28

And you know, from there, you got Laura Croft, you got uh it also cemented Harrison Ford National Treasure, yeah, Uncharted, you know, games. I mean, not that Harrison Ford wasn't already a star from Star Wars, but this cemented Harrison Ford as the lead man. As a lead man. Was it he turned it down or was it because of the down because of Magnum? Yeah, because I think he was contracted with Magnum PI at the time. I don't know, it would have been a different film. I don't know if it would have been as popular.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:07

And then the just for the time, the visual effects.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

Or the at the end, it was just spike the uh the melting faces, one of the most horrific visuals in the history of film that's not from a horror film. Exactly. I I love the movie. I I mean I I I don't prescribe to the to the big bang theory theory. Like I feel like he, you know, he has the butterfly effect, you know.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:38

I mean something could have happened. Here's the thing.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:41

Uh this is what I'm gonna say. They wouldn't have found it without him. Because they didn't have the other side of the stuff. So it's his fault.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:51

I you can say there's a lot of films. I'm sure if you like really like pick nits with some films, you can find a lot of films where this is the case. You know, like if Marty McFly had never got into the DeLorean, would his future have been back?

SPEAKER_13 1:03:06

Eric Stoltz had just been.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

If Eric Stoltz did not get fired. Um he actually did bang Leah Thompson, would he be his own dad?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:18

You remember the thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

Yeah, the bootstrap. Yeah, yeah. He keeps going back in church. He ends up doing a three-way with himself and his mom.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:27

What he doesn't understand is he's actually his father's actually Howard the Duck. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:33

That's right. That's why he's musically inclined. Julian Thompson and Howard the Duck. No, Kevin sent me this one where he it's it's uh it's uh a comedy sketch where the the guy ends up sleeping with the mom, and then doc brown is like, you did what?

SPEAKER_15 1:03:54

You have to go back and fix it.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:56

You have to go back and fix it, and then he goes back to a time earlier to try to stop himself, and he ends up having a three-way with himself and his mom.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:08

He's not oh god, I'm sweating.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:19

The second one on my list is Fight Club.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:23

Okay, let's go. So this is the uh second movie on my list that I put because of a surprise ending. Uh I originally had a different movie on my list, but Mike has it on his, so I took it off. Uh so I went with Fight Club instead. Oh no, you know, Mike took it off his list. I did. I'm gonna put it in uh honorable mentions then since I originally had it on my list. Uh, but I supplanted it with the Fight Club. Uh I love David Venture, one of my favorite directors. I love many of his films. The first David Fenture film I saw was Alien 3, which is shocking considering I like David Venture films. Um he didn't like that film. That wasn't his fault. It wasn't his fault. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, as I was getting more into studying Hollywood and studying like the oral history of many films and learning like his backstory with that, like it almost made him quit directing, which is a shame because then we wouldn't have gotten Fight Club in some of these other films. I believe Fight Club is the second no, the second film I saw from Fincher was the game, it was the game. Uh the one with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn, which is a great movie. Yes, and then I saw Fight Club. I kind of seen his movies like in a in in a row. Like I've kind of seen them as they've come out. Uh, and I love Fight Club, man. And talk about twist endings and a bleak fucking movie. Yeah. And man, meatloaf tits are huge in this film. Great. I love Helen and Bottom Carter in this film. It is such A not Helen the Bottom Carter role. And it's great.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:06

You mean it's not the same woman we've seen in The Queen?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

No. It's not the Queen of Hearts. It's not the Queen in the King's Speech. It's not even the weird lady we see in a lot of uh of uh Tim Burton films. Is it Bella Strange? It's not even Bella the Strange. It's a woman who goes, I haven't been fucked like that since grade school. A line that was replaced with uh that was replaced by the original line, which was I want to have your abortion. It's a fucked up movie. Um but really it's it's the thing that about it too is like Fincher was given this film to do despite the horror show that was Alien 3, despite the fact that the game was a good movie, but didn't make a lot of money, money at the box office. And he was given this book. Uh Fight Club is a book written by Chuck Polyanak, and it's considered a book that was impossible to film uh because the book is written in the sort of manic way that Edward Norton's character thinks in the film. Right. And so it's a very nonlinear, very like like train of thought, and was considered unfilmable, and somehow Fenture made it work, man. And then you watch it like years later, it still holds up and it's still just as bleak. And man, Brad Pitt is fucking hot in this movie. This is this is one of Brad Pitt's like early, like I'm still a hard throb, but I can act films. Finally, one of the ones on Kevin's list. So, yeah, Fight Club Man, great movie.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:42

Well, then that's a great segue into my movie where we have um another David Fenture movie starring Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, and Kevin Spacey. This is from 1995. This was actually my first movie review for my school newspaper. Probably should not have been. It was high school, but still.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:05

And then he got and then they interviewed a guy who fucked a woman with a knife. With a sword. With a sword, with a sharp dildo.

SPEAKER_15 1:08:20

Um this was uh this is about two detectives who are one is retiring, he's kind of worn out and done with the crime in the city. And this is getting a new partner who is an up-and-coming detective trying to cut his teeth and prove his worth, coming from a small town. And um and you know, they conflict, but they're stuck with this case together, following a serial killer who is murdering people using um on the basis of the seven deadly sins. From I believe you can correct me, Leo. This was from uh Dr. Seuss's Seven Rings Inferno.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:04

One fish, two fish, elfish.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:08

Shout not fish.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:12

One fish, two fish, dead fish, head.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:16

Uh I love this movie. It's it's such a good movie. It holds up, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:21

Um it's one of those movies I think I watch like once a year.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:24

Yeah.

unknown 1:09:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:26

As leaks depressing and disturbing as it is, it's very rewatchable.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:31

It's very rewatchable. And you know, I don't like gore, but you don't see the gore like you see the effects. But what's up?

SPEAKER_04 1:09:38

You don't see any of the murders in this film.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:41

What is it? Uh the ending. Oh, the ending is. Oh, the ending, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:49

It's trying to figure out what's in the box, man.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um but there's so much. I mean, when he goes to the drug addict sloth. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The jump scare. Man, that freaked me out. That freaked out the actual actor who was uh what's his name? The doctor on Scrubs.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:11

Um, the uh yeah, John C. McGinley who plays uh the cop, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:15

The cop, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:16

Um scared the hell out of him because they thought it was it's kind of it's it goes your next movie on your list has a similar thing where they didn't tell the actors about it. When he goes down to like look at the guy's face, he didn't know that the guy was going to still be alive. So the reaction you get is a real reaction. Right.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:34

So I mean there's a lot of like the Trent or Trent Reznor being used.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:38

Trent Reznor score is fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:39

Yeah. For the score. Um, yeah. I just I I really like this movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:45

Trent Reznor is amazing in that he went from being this like you know, this alt rocker to being a great movie score guy. Like he did seven and he did uh social network, and those scores are fucking amazing. Yeah, I would like to see this again. So yeah, you don't see the only murder you've seen the whole film is Kevin's Kevin Spacey's death at the end. Like everything else is just the aftermath, right? But the aftermath is so brutal that it's like you you feel like you see it. That's why people claim that they see Gwen Power's head at the end, but you never do. No, you know, it's just the other movie. Well, that's actually an urban myth. That's not necessarily the true though. They used it. That movie was like 15 years later. I don't know if the head would have still been around. They used it in contagion. You see it. But did they but did they really like make an advantage? They remolded her face. Well, did they like already have all the organs inside the fake head too?

SPEAKER_15 1:11:42

Like Well, that I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:45

I I read that it was like a it was like an urban that's an urban myth or what. I mean, I don't know. It could be true, who knows? I would like it to be true. It's kind of funny. That they saved Gwendeth Boucher's head in case they needed it for later. They kept it in the box. They decided let's save her, let's save the fake head just in case one day she makes a goop. She takes a candle, it smells like her own vagina. Let's keep this fake head. Hey Mike, what's your uh next one?

SPEAKER_11 1:12:13

Uh let's get my next one since it's the same as yours for. So I'm gonna go with uh the 2001, 2002, and 2003, uh Peter Jackson, Lord of the Rings.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:26

Mike's cheating by doing a trilogy as one.

SPEAKER_10 1:12:29

Well, they they filmed it as one. Yeah, I could have done The Godfather and put it on my list. They filmed this all at once. So okay, all right, I'll give it to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:38

The ruling is yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:43

Uh since we just talked about this, uh I'll keep this one short. Uh, I want to see this just because it's such a beautifully made movie.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:53

I mean, I I there really wasn't any real surprises for me because I read the books before. But the movie was done so beautifully. It's like most people didn't think it'd actually be done. This movie was people didn't think it'd be done.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:12

You know, when you guys gave me a lot a load of shit for not having read the Lord of the Ring books, you'll I went out to Barnes and O and I got the little golden back, the little golden books. So I was able to get all three read in two nights.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:27

Let me guess. He didn't even watch the movies, he watched the Rise and Bat uh the Bass and Rag one.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:34

Yeah, it was it was the golden books, they they rhyme too. It's like there once was a hobbit named Bilbo who gave a ring to his Trudeau.

SPEAKER_10 1:13:48

There once was a hobbit from the Shire.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:51

You couldn't even take he couldn't go out and get the Cliff Notes to read the books that way. God damn.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:02

Well, they to go on what you were saying, Mike. Yeah, it's we said this in our in the uh fellowship episode last week that the the cinematography, even though a lot of it is obviously like green screen, the cinematography is so fucking gorgeous. It's so beautiful to look at. It was groundbreaking at the time. I was saying the uh the Rohan, the riders of Rohan going into battle at Gondor in the final film. Just the scope of that scene where you see all the soldiers on horseback riding into the field. Like it's it's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:35

Or in the the final film where you know the ghosts come off the ship. You know, that was just an awesome visual.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:45

Legolas riding down the uh nose of the elephants.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:49

It still only counts as one.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:52

You know, you know, there was there's an edited part of uh Star Wars with Ghibli saying that the the that the Death Star only counts as one, too. It only counts as one.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:04

Uh uh what's her name? Uh Kate Kate Blanchette.

unknown 1:15:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:11

Hottest performance, Galadriel or Hella in Thor Ragnarok? Hella. She had that goth girl thing going on, she had that bad goth girl thing going on. Like spank me, mama. All right, Lord of the Rings. Uh I'm gonna get moving because I'm really drunk now. Yeah, no. We can tell. So I decided that um I like I said earlier, I was trying not to do all twist endings, so I did change a few. And I'm looking at my list here, and I realized that not only did all my movies come out in the 90s, only one I actually saw in the theater. And it's not this one, which I've already touted on the show as being my favorite movie all the time.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:55

Nobody actually saw this movie in the theater.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:57

Yeah, this was a real bomb at the box office. It got nominated for a bunch of Oscars, which is what actually increased its popularity. Uh, it earned more money in the box office after the Oscars and then became a staple on TBS, which is how it kind of became everybody's favorite movie. Uh, Shawshank Redemption, which came out in 1994, starring Tim Robbins and Morgan Freeman, uh, among others, a movie that is my favorite of all time. I've said it numerous times. I was watching it before recording tonight. Uh, just because I was like, hey, you know what? I'm gonna watch it. It is a movie that, like, so the first time I saw this was uh I rented it uh from Blockbuster back when Blockbuster was still a thing. Uh I rented it because a friend of mine actually saw it in the theater. Uh I had a friend who would like just kind of go to the movies randomly and like just pick a movie out, and he saw this. He saw it was a Stephen King story that involved prisons, and he was like, I'll check it out. And he's like, dude, I know you'll love this movie. I know you'll he kept telling me to watch it because he knew I would love it. I got it on video, I watched it, and I watched it again, and I watched it again. I kept watching it before I had to return the tape. Uh, so it's a movie that's very bleak and dark and depressing at the beginning, but then ends on such a note of hope and and positivity at the end that it just like uplifts you when the movie finally gets to the to the closing credits. And that feeling of like hope and redemption that this movie gives you is so powerful that like the first time I watched it, I was blown away by it. And I wish I could have that feeling again. You know, I'm still enamored by the film when I watch it, I still feel good at the end of it. But man, there's no way to recapture that feeling I had the first time I watched this film. And I hope I articulated that well because in my head it sounded good, but I know I'm probably sorry. Would either of you like to say anything about Shawshank?

SPEAKER_10 1:18:02

Or should we just move on? Nothing about Shawshank through all these episodes throughout the years.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:07

I've I've I've I've I've glazed Shawshank enough over the last five years. Uh Kevin, what's your next one?

SPEAKER_15 1:18:15

Uh my next one is a small independent film from Ridley Scott back in oh god, was it 79 or 79, uh called Alien.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:28

And now Cigorney Weavers Bush in 4K.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:35

Uh little story about space miners, and it came out this week. Space miners going out into space and you know, mining. Mining.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:45

You're gonna be like five or six years old.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:49

Miners, not miners. I love that reference.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:57

Um anyway, they get dropped out of hypersleep so that they could investigate a uh distress call on LV426. And uh going there, they find a uh strange ship with strange things going on inside, and um they end up bringing back inadvertently one of the strange things, and uh was that was it inadvertently? I don't think there was the intention to bring it back, it's not like they had it on its hip, you know.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:32

Sure, the Android didn't want to bring it back.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:36

It was like Ash's job to bring it back.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:38

Oh, that's right. Um, anyway, Ripley's the only one with any common sense trying to keep, you know, um pain and quarantine, but nobody listened. And uh, and there you go. She gets to be the only survivor because she listened to the rules. When you don't follow the rules, you end up dead. We're cocooned.

SPEAKER_11 1:20:02

So she has a cat, that's why.

SPEAKER_15 1:20:04

Right. Now here's what I'll say. I know that the director's cut, there's a scene where you can go and you can see um Dallas is is cocooned and things like that, and and it kind of goes into that whole thing. Um, and the issue I have with that with that, and this comes after having seen the movie Aliens, um, is is that there was no queen to have created the egg, to have, you know, affected Dallas and others. So it's good that that was cut out because it just didn't lead there, it would have posed so many more questions, you know. I'm glad it was in Aliens and it and it had a good base for Aliens because the whole thing was on LV426, and and you were supposed to get more exper exposure.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:54

So that's something I like about Alien, the original Alien too, as opposed to like movies that come out nowadays. Like nowadays a film is three hours because they have to explain everything, because they think that the audience is fucking dumb. Alien was not three hours long, it didn't explain everything, and it's still a great movie because the mystery draws you in. Right. So, why would space truckers have to stop for a distress call anyway? They explained it in one line. It's part of our contract. When the distress signal comes in, we have to report. That's all they say about it. That's their only excuse for landing on the planet.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:33

And that's all you need because you never know. The contract.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:36

Yeah, it's all you need. You there, yeah. They they talk about it in the film, they're union guys, they gotta do their fucking job, you know. And so, like, I mean, I like that that it's it's very minimalist, and that is part of the charm of the film.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:50

You don't get your share if you don't follow the contract.

SPEAKER_10 1:21:55

Uh Mike, what's your next one?

SPEAKER_11 1:21:58

Uh, I am going with the 1984 little known movie by uh David Cameron, uh, with like no name actors to for when it start came out uh at the time. Uh Terminator with Honor Sports and Edgar Lynn Linda Hamilton and Mike Michael Bain. Uh I think most I think that was Arnold's first. No. Oh, he had Conan. He had Conan before that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:28

Arnold's well, Arnold's first film uh was in 1969. It was a little film called Hercules in New York, uh, where they actually dubbed his voiceover because nobody could understand his accent. Uh and then in the 70s he did a documentary called Pumping Iron. Uh, and then it was in the 80s that he started getting film roles. The first big film role for him was Cone and the Barbarian, which led to Terminator.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:53

Now the Terminator robot was not supposed to be Arnold Schwarzenegger.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:57

Really? It was supposed to be.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:59

Uh James Cameron wants it, Lance Hendrickson, to play it because he wanted the robot to look like a very normal, like every man. Okay. Studio wanted O.J. Simpson. They were okay with Arnold.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:16

That would not have aged well.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:17

Wait, they wanted OJ Simpson because he was a well-known person at the time. He was in the police squad movies and all. And Cameron said no because he he was just too nice a guy. At the time he was doing like the Hertz commercials, like he was like a really like had a nice guy image, and they settled on Arnold. Uh, and I think they made the right choice. And he he threw Lance Senderskin a bone, he made him the uh police chief in the films.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:43

Yeah. Now I love this movie, you know. That's because of, you know, now I can go fucking Skynet with all this AI nowadays. But it was I thought it was done well. Um the time travel part of it, the the the paradox of spoiler alert that uh Reese is actually uh John Connor's father. It was back in time, fucks Shericana, and then you know uh consent.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:16

Doctor Doctor Who talks about that in in uh in uh the 12th doctors run where he talks about the bootstrap paradox. I came to this movie late, um, because 1984 I was seven years old, so I definitely didn't see it then. Um I don't I don't know, I don't remember the first time I saw it. I don't know if I saw it before I saw Terminator 2, which is weird. Um I feel like I did see it first, but it wasn't so it wasn't until much later.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:51

If you saw Terminator 2 first, going back to see Terminal Terminator 1 would have confused you.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:57

Yeah, which is which is why I I'm pretty sure I saw Terminator first, but it might have been like later on like home video or something like that.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:06

Yeah, it was definitely for me. I can remember it distinctly. It was over at my friend Ryan's house. It was one of those late Friday nights you can stay over, we'll order pizza, and we'll watch a movie, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:17

Uh, aside from this being a star-making turn for Arnold Schwarzenegger, who all who else had a very small but early role in this film? Phil Paxton. Yes, sir. Starting a lifelong collaboration with James Cameron.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:31

Yep. And Phil Hartman. My bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:37

I was gonna say, who's Phil Hartman playing this film?

SPEAKER_11 1:25:40

I don't have the drop.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:43

I don't even know that what drop I would use for that. Phil Hartman. He plays the caveman lawyer in his film. I'm just the caveman.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:55

They may not know much about time travel or terminating people.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:01

And don't knock AI. If it wasn't for AI, I couldn't run away from cryptids.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:05

I know, but I it just must be you know complain about it. You know, fucking goddamn.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:10

Mike and I are gonna collaborate on my fourth film because he also has this on his list. Uh, that is Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:17

I'm actually surprised it wasn't also on Kevin's list. Because Kevin talks about this movie, you know, more than we do.

SPEAKER_15 1:26:23

And I do love it. And I told you guys earlier I I probably would have put it on my list, except I wanted to kind of branch out from what we all had, you know. So I found another movie that that fit. I got it. Like Lee, I could not leave it off my list.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:42

So for me, Jurassic Park is the movie that made me a Cenophile, and I've said this plenty of times on the show, so I'm not gonna get into it too much, but I loved movies, I'd always watched a lot of movies. I'd watched a lot of movies in the 80s, I had seen some 70s films, but like I wasn't like a movie aficionado, and then I saw Jurassic Park, and I was like, this is what a fucking movie can do. This is what a movie can be. This is Spielberg. I've seen other Spielberg films. Have I not really been like paying attention to the fact that they're Spielberg? And this is like the movie that opened up a world of cinema for me, and from here I just started consuming as much as I could, like completing filmographies of directors and actors, and just like just you know, watching the Oscars and kind of getting and like this is the movie that made me love movies the way I am now.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:32

I think I have, I mean, uh in my opinion, it was the risk of uh the chance of of using CGI and trying CGI for the live the uh you know the widescreen or the wide shot uh dinosaur scenes, um, that probably set it apart from just being another, you know, science fiction movie, Spielberg movie, is that this was Like groundbreaking in terms of what you could do with computer-generated imaging in terms of creating dinosaurs' looks and movements and feels to make it look real. You know, prior to this, you had you had The Abyss, you had Terminator 2, but those were done in small doses, and this was completely groundbreaking.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:21

And it was still using practical effects in the mixture as well.

unknown 1:28:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:25

Right.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:27

It's also the movie where you know we hate to mix. We don't like all CGI. It is the movie that went. Was the torch, the torch passer from practical effects. CGI.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:42

It's the bridge. It's definitely the bridge film. You have to think like this came out 10 years after uh uh The Last Starfighter, which is like the first film to really deeply use computer graphics. It had Tron a little bit, but like The Last Starfighter was the first one to use like whole scenes of her computer graphics. Then very, very, very basic. And then Jurassic Park comes along 10 years later. It comes out around the same time as like Lawnmower Man and a bunch of other movies that were starting to get into CGI and special effects, but nothing was like Jurassic Park.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:13

Johnny mnemonic.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:15

Johnny Mnemonic. Like you have to think, like it's because I mean, I'm not even gonna laugh. Like, I know you're you might be fucking with me or not, but that is a movie that uses special effects, but not great. Hackers is another one kind of came around around this time. Uh, but like Jurassic Park, and I think it's because it's Spielberg. If it wasn't Spielberg, I don't know if this film would have succeeded. They were originally going to use uh Claymation, like Ray Harryhausen's type of thing.

SPEAKER_14 1:29:38

They had stop motion, they they were working with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:41

They were they were working with uh Phil Tippett, who was a student of Ray Harryhausen, and he he saw the computer graphics and went, Well, I'm out of a job. So, yeah, Jurassic Park for me is the movie that that started. I we wouldn't be doing this podcast today if it wasn't for Jurassic Park. Uh so Mike, you have anything else you want to say about it? Because you have it on your list too.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:05

No, I think we pretty much get all the exhausted it.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:10

All the points on that one. So the next one on Kevin's list. The three of us saw in the theater together with all of our significant others at the time. I don't know who Kevin's was at the time, but that would have been Doria. It was okay, yeah. It was it was not the one that he's with now. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:30

Oh, there's been a list.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:32

Mike and I have been with the same significant others for a while. Uh but yes, we all saw this in the theater together, and it was an amazing experience. It was such a fun film. So why don't you go ahead and talk about it?

SPEAKER_15 1:30:46

So uh I may have mentioned this earlier. I do like Christopher Nolan films.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:51

Um, this one is conversation at the beginning of the um and and honestly, I I love Batman.

SPEAKER_15 1:31:00

Batman's my favorite um superhero. So Christopher Nolan doing the Dark Knight series, the trilogy, the uh the taking the helm of it uh was just wonderful for me. And though Batman Begins was a really, really well done movie, uh, I was really looking forward to this, the the Dark Knight. Um and uh this was a version of the Joker I would never have even thought of, you know? Like it was out of the box, it was you know, I mean, this is chaos. Heath Ledger did an amazing job of of personifying chaos in a character, you know. Uh I love that the backstory is is it's intentionally muddled, you know. There's so many, oh, you want to know how he got these scars and he's got the where he came from. Um the uh theories as to what actually happened to him. I love the one where people think he's he's a vet, you know, suffering from PTSD, um and and running with that, but just how well of a job this uh the this movie was. It was so much fun to watch, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:20

I even like the the minimal use of Too Faced in the film.

SPEAKER_15 1:32:23

Yeah, yeah. Uh and and actually the to I mean not to completely gush over Keith Ledger, but uh Aaron Eckert did a very good job with Too Faced, the the um makeup and the the effects used for Toothface, uh Too Faced. It's it's tough to kind of you look at Tommy Lee Jones and it's so cartoony, and you think of the character itself, and it's like, how do you make that real? How do you use the elements of realism for that? Um, and then you look at what they did, and it's like, oh my god, it's terrifying, but it's also like, yeah, that yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:02

The TV show Gotham, uh never they never like like closed on the deal, but they used to tease Two Face whenever Harvey Dent appeared.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:10

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:11

Whenever the Harvey Dent uh character appeared, there was always a shadow over the left side of his face. Right. Yeah. And that was kind of like the tease for it. They never went through with it. So then you get the Aaron Eckhart uh Too Faced in this film, and it's he's great in it too because he's so good at playing that like handsome, dashing, you know, like do good or hero character. So that when he has his fall at the end, you really feel for it, like you see why he's he's he's crashed out at this point. Um such a fucking amazing film. I I think Dunkirk is Nolan's best film, but Dark Knight is by far my favorite. Yeah, and it's because I'm I I'm a big Batman fan to begin with.

SPEAKER_15 1:33:48

So I just saw it was a short video clip of an interview with the guy who played the um the Asian uh bookkeeper, you know, and the scene where the Joker jumps and slides down this massive money pile, you know? And he goes, the guy's like, it's like two stories tall, and he just without hesitation jumps and rides it down, grabs a handful of uh a wad of cash, tosses it, and first take hits me in the head with it, you know. I said, he's like, This is amazing.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:22

Do you how many people do you think are unaware of the fact that he just basically lit that guy on fire? Yeah, you know, he burns that pile of money, the dude's sitting on top of it. And you don't like think about it because the camera cuts away, but I'm like, this dude's sitting on top of that pile of money as it's burning. Yeah. Um I was gonna say, uh, I remember when Heath Ledger was cast, how crazy people went. Uh, because this was coming right off of Brokeback Mountain, and they're like, what, the gay cowboy is gonna play the Joker? Like it was like it was like early internet like anger. And then they started like dropping like hints of what he was gonna look at, look like, you know, and then and then and then the film came out, and it was like nobody can think of anybody else other than him.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:07

Oh, because you know, think about it. He played, you know, the gay cowboy, he played the night's tale, he was the heart throb if he was.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:14

It was a heart throb, and then this is a movie that showed he can act. Yeah, I think it's it's arguable that he and uh Jack Nicholson are like the two best live action jokers.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:27

I'd agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:28

I'm saying live action because I love the Mark Hamill animated joker, but if you're talking live action, it's it's they're they're the top two. What you don't like the 60s uh joker? I like the Cesar Romero joker, but it's it's campy, like like the show is it's a campy betrayal. I can't stand the Jarrett Leto version.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:47

No, no, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:49

I like the Cameron Monahan version from Gotham, although they never call him the Joker because they didn't have the rights to the character. But you know, and he played several different versions of him. Yeah, he played like multiple characters playing the Joker.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:03

Uh, what's your last one there, Mike? You want to go with your last one and keep around circles?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:10

Well, we just did the the Dark Knight on Kevin's list. Yeah. Uh, do you want me to go do mine and then we'll do yours?

SPEAKER_11 1:36:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:36:17

Okay, yeah, we'll do that. So my last one on my list. Oh, we do mine, then we do Kevin's, then we do mine yours, mine, the last five back in order.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:25

I've been drinking a lot. I've been drinking a lot. Don't make this hard for me.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:28

Do yours. Kevin does his, and I do mine last.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:30

Sounds good. All right. So my last one on my list is Reservoir Dogs. Now, I put this on my list because I love Quentin Tarantino. I love his films. This is his first movie, Reservoir Dogs. I did not see this in the theater. I remember seeing it in. I used to look at the uh daily, uh daily news like movie section a lot when I was at work uh at the time. I was a teenager, and I was I would used to read the movie section all the time. And I remember seeing the review for this and thinking, what the fuck is this movie? The hell's a reservoir dog, you know, like not like really being interested in it. And then it came out on cable, and it was one of the at the time where I was like, I was just kind of like watching everything I could watch, and I remember seeing it pop up on cable, and I'm like, all right, I'm gonna give this a shot, and just being blown away by this movie. It was visceral and bloody and funny, and and you know, that these characters were just having regular conversations, not even talking about the plot, just having normal everyday conversations, you know, that these kind of characters would have. You know, there's the scene where he cuts the cops' ear off and you don't see it, but just imagining it makes it even more disturbing. And I remember watching it going, man, like, and this is as I said, the time I'm starting to even get into like film, and I'm like, I wonder who this guy is, like this Quentin Tarantino guy. I wonder if he's gonna make another movie. Well, his next movie was Pulp Fiction, yeah, you know, which is touted as like his best movie, I think, but like it would be nowhere without Reservoir Dogs. And I wish I had gotten a chance to see this in the theater because this was such a a it was a transcendental moment for me because I was like, wow, this is a new voice that I can't wait to see more from. So that's all I gotta say about that. Kevin's last one.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:21

My last one is a Steven Spielberg movie. Uh sorry. Um it is one that kind of was a a uh starting point for Tom Hanks getting himself involved in making um his own movies centered around World War II. It's saving Private Ryan. Um sorry, I'm a little distracted. Uh the first 20 minutes, just heartbreaking, amazingly shot, you know. Um you feel engulfed in the the war at that point. You feel engulfed in in the you know uh first 20 minutes of of the fighting. Um, and then to watch the the story play out, you know, and the the questions going back and forth within that group who's you know, what makes this person worth saving? What's what makes him worth risking our lives for, you know? And and you just feel it throughout the movie with you know people the whole group passing at at certain points, you know. Um great job by Tom Hanks and um Barry Pepper and uh Giovanni Rubisi. Uh Vin Diesel obviously had a major role in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:48

Um you're joking, but like he was actually pretty good in it. It was everybody in the film, everybody in that film did the job that they had to do. Right. Like there was no wasted space. Giovanni Rubisi death scene is still one of like the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever seen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:40:10

He's crying out for his mom. Um and then I can't remember the name of the actor who played um the the recorder, you know, the the type is Up'em. Up''em, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:24

I don't remember the actor's name, but I know the character was I'm trying to look it up now.

SPEAKER_15 1:40:29

It's uh Jeremy Davies. Jeremy Davies. And he's like the voice of reason where everybody's kind of like strung out and and really just questioning the entire mission. And he's like, You can't do this, it's not right. And even at the end, where he realizes his following the code of ethics and everything else kind of comes back and bites him in the ass. Um uh it's just it's just really well done.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:54

His last scene in the film where he shoots the German guy, you know, who's like you know, who knows him, and he's like, up him, you know, and he shoots him, and it's like you you see a man reach the breaking point. It's like so yeah, heart heartbreaking.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:09

I sh I debated putting um Schindler's list on my list for first time watch because and not so much the movie itself, but just the experience of it. It's one of the most surreal movie going experiences I had because at the end of the film nobody in the theater moved. It was silent for like like 10 minutes with people just trying to digest what they just saw. And and I had the same kind of feeling with Saving Private Ryan, especially after that that opening scene. Great, great pick.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:41:41

Uh Mike, what is your last one? Mine is a little uh animated movie that came out in Mike just wants to relive childhood trauma.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:53

I did not put uh never ending story on here if I wanted to do that. I would have um 1982, The Secret of Nim, uh Don Bluth uh directed, uh voice acted with uh Dom and Louise, uh Shannon Doherty, and Will Wheaton also was in this. Um in the 80s, if it was an animated movie, it was Disney. Disney was everything. This is groundbreaking breaking that it's not Disney. It was a uh United Artist film.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:32

Um Don Bluth, wasn't he like a disgruntled like former Disney employee?

SPEAKER_15 1:42:37

He was.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:38

Well, a lot of the what happened was this was pitched to Disney and they said no.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:46

So Bluth left.

unknown 1:42:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:48

Disney said we can't be killing mice, that would ruin our image.

SPEAKER_10 1:42:54

No, they just didn't want to do dark. We are the friend of the rodent. Uh they don't want to do dark. Didn't they do uh didn't they do the black cauldron? After this made it a hit, and then that one bombed.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:08

And that one bombed. So I mean this was a Disney-esque, though not Disney, but darker. Oh, fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:19

Oh, it's not as dark as Watership Down, but uh I I kind of I kind of equate them because I seen them both around the same time, probably a little too young, and they were both like nightmare-inducing films.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:33

Right up there with Return to Oz.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:36

Watership Down came out in 78, so yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:40

We counted it. We did a film, we did like a review of like animated films of the 80s or something. We kind of counted it because it played a lot on cable in the 80s. Yeah. Um, Adrian wishes she could see Return to Oz for the first time all over again. Oh no.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:56

Talk about nightmare fuel. So like I said, it was it's darker uh for most cartoons that you would animated films you would see at the time. So it's just made you see what you could actually do with animation at the time. It makes me wonder. I wish I could see it again.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:14

Yeah, I kind of miss that that era of animation. You don't really, we don't really get that anymore.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:19

It's more computer and American tale, yeah, let's go to heaven.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:24

Even like 80s into like even in the like early 90s, he had a lot of like really fun, like animated films like that.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:30

Yeah, hand-drawn, yeah. The animals are the people, not people are the people.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:38

Yeah. So why didn't we include Empire Strikes Back on any of our lists? You would think a movie that revealed that Darth Vader is Luke's father would be a movie that would be like, you know. I didn't include it because I feel like Empire Strikes Back has become such a cultural reference that it doesn't matter if you've seen it for the first time, somebody out there is going to be seeing it for the first time.

SPEAKER_06 1:45:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:02

Because it's such a a staple of the culturals like guys that somebody's gonna see it for the first time at some point, and they're gonna have the same reaction we all had. Uh, so I don't feel like it's something I need to rewatch. Uh, for myself, I had a few honorable mentions: Cabin in the Woods, which is one of my favorite horror films of the last 20 years, which has a really great twist ending. The Sixth Sense, uh, probably M. Night Shyamalan's best film, also his first film. Well, we both took it off our list because we both took it off our list because we both saw it on our list. Nobody ended up talking about it, but it has one of the most solid twist endings in the history of cinema. I saw this in the theater. One of my favorite all-time theater-going experiences when everybody realized at the same time what the hell was going on. Uh, Rocky, because as somebody who grew up in South Philly, it's like a staple of my childhood. And you have to say it or to take away your Italian card. Yeah, you take away your data and a godfather, they take away your Italian card. And uh, for me, the thing, uh, not my favorite John Carpenter film, but one of the best John Carpenter films in terms of how it ends and the mystery that's left behind, and the questions you're still answering, and the use of practical effects to scare the shit out of you. You know, so I don't know if you guys had any like honorable mentions or anything, but uh no, I think we hit yeah. I think we're we're closing in on two hours here, so we should probably get moving. Uh no beer trivia this week, uh, but we do have a cinema quote.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:34

I think anger does fuel a successful acting career. To play the great roles, you have to learn how to blaze Christopher Plummer.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:42

You would know he played a Klingon.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:44

He did, he liked Shakespeare in his original Klingon.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:48

And he also, you know, sang and you know, set of music.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:53

Yeah, he sang in the what was uh uh sound of music. How were our drinks this evening, gentlemen?

SPEAKER_15 1:47:02

Um both of mine were delicious. I was surprised at how much I liked the prickly power sour. It was not too tart, it was uh uh juicy, it had a juicy taste to it. Juicy? Uh yeah, juicy.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:16

Um gushed in his mouth.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:20

And uh the crisp lime was refreshing. This would be a good uh pool side beer.

unknown 1:47:26

Nice.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:27

Mike, uh, did you were you able to capture that feeling you had the first time you had a uh devil's backbone?

SPEAKER_11 1:47:33

Uh the or nah, I you know I wish I could, but it's still delicious.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:42

And I had a uh cocktail made with writer's tears, uh Irish whiskey, because I'm celebrating the fact that I just was offered a book contract for my new novel. Uh I will have details, uh further details once I uh the you know everything's ironed out. I can't say anything more than that. Uh so thank you to everybody who supported who supports our podcast. Anyone out there who's been watching my Leo Runs from Cryptids web series, thank you for the support as well. Please continue watching. And thank you for joining us tonight for episode 239. Movies so good, we wish we could unsee them. We hope you enjoyed listening to the podcast as much as we enjoyed recording it for you. Don't forget, you can email us at filmsofermentation at gmail.com or visit linktree.com slash films of fermentation to find all of our social media podcast links. Watch us on the Pod Nation Media Network, on Roku, on Rumble, or on YouTube. Support us at patreon.com slash films of fermentation or text us at 904-867-4466. And don't forget to join us next time around at the crossroads between pickled and ferment it for episode 240. Uh, we're gonna do a recasting episode. We haven't done one in a while, but we're gonna do a little special twist on this. Each of us is going to choose one of the five movies that we wish we could watch again for the first time and recast it next week. And I'm thinking we don't tell each other what movies we chose. Let's make it a surprise. Works for me. So each of us will choose one of our five films and we will try to recast it. So make sure you join us for that, folks. In the meaning and meaning. In the meantime, I'm Leo and I'm really drunk. He's Mike and he hasn't said anything yet. Well, yeah, I didn't hear Kevin say it.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:22

I didn't hear Leo say he's I'm I'm Leo and I'm really drunk. Oh, I'm Kevin. I'm Mike.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:30

I'm off tomorrow, which is awesome.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:33

I'm waiting for Kevin because he's always second.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:35

I'm like I you must have you cut out when you said your name, and I heard I'm really drunk. And I'm like, okay, we'll say your name.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:46

Most professional podcast in the world, folks. That's why we're number one in Madagascar. This has been the Films and Fermentation Podcast. Cheers, everybody. Cheers.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:57

I have to work tomorrow.